Episode Transcript
[00:00:10] Speaker A: Welcome to the EU Energy Projects Podcast, a podcast series from Enlida and France focusing on the clean energy transition for the European Union and the EU Commission funded energy projects that will help us achieve it. My name is Aretid Daradimu. I am the editor of the EU Energy Projects Podcast and your host.
For this second special episode dedicated to the E Energy Cluster, the hosting role passes to Elena Gerar from Eudream who moderates a discussion with Kostas Tsatsakis from Digitize and Simone Nicolousi from Celine.
Following the first episode featuring Decoded and Energenius, the discussion explores digitalization, interoperability and collaboration across the energy sector.
The E Energy Cluster will also be represented at European Sustainable Energy Week 2026. Hopefully we'll see you there.
[00:01:16] Speaker B: Welcome everybody to the next episode of the Energy Podcast. And today we have indeed a special session with three three projects representing key insights how to bridge the gap between the digital side and the consumer engagement side. I'm really looking forward to having this discussion with both Simone Nicolasi and Costas Tsartzakis. So Simone Costas, welcome to our conversation and maybe we can first start ahead asking ourselves a bit. Yeah, we are all three involved in these projects in this energy cluster. But indeed what are the big challenges that we're solving? For example, myself I'm working within the EODREAM project on behalf of Vito. We see clear that the big challenge is there is a lot of technology available, but consumers do not necessarily use it. They actually get overwhelmed by the amount of digital data, digital tooling. So there is clearly a big gap. Is it also something what you are developing or at least analyzing in the projects Celine and Digitize? So Simone, tell me more about that was a big challenge. Your project is capturing and maybe also give a brief intro of yourself and the project.
[00:02:31] Speaker C: Hi everybody, I'm Simone, I live in Italy. I work for Greenland on behalf of the SALIM project.
So our project focuses mainly on the digitalization of energy data.
And I think that energy costs continue to increase is important to track consumption effectively.
And so that's the main goal of our project.
It also helps to identify our project. Our goal is also to identify unnecessary use of energy and to support management of resources.
So we can say that our goal is to lower the cost and reduce environmental impact.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I think environmental impact also very important element to reduce. Costas, tell me more about Digitize. Is that also looking at those aspects or how do you connect with the digital side and with the ecosystem of the end consumer?
[00:03:26] Speaker C: Hello.
[00:03:27] Speaker D: Hi, from My side.
Glad to be here with you. I'm Costas Achakis. I'm coming from SwiftFi, representing digitized project in this conversation.
Yes, indeed, in Digitize, also, a main and key point is the transition that is requiring citizens to shift from passive consumers and being active consumers in the EU landscape. As we are now talking about transitions on the existing markets and technologies.
Having fragmented data and the lack of digital literacy on the side of consumers are things that are considered as key bottlenecks, barriers in the existing situation. And this is the thing that Digitized tries to deliver fix through a comprehensive consumer empowerment framework that aims to deliver technical innovation as well. Social inclusiveness through the citizens engagement in Europe.
[00:04:17] Speaker B: I think that's a really strong thing, this social inclusiveness, because it's really like this transformation of society. I think also in eudream, that's one of the key points where we see the speed of the digital transformation is so quick, but the society as a whole and the end consumers as individuals, they can't follow or they can't follow yet, because luckily we do have a lot of solutions available. And that's exactly. Also one of the points that we have noticed within EU Dream, which is actually a challenge, is that there are a lot of technologies available, there is a lot of tooling available, a lot of recommendations available all over Europe, and we see that there is a big risk of fragmentation.
So how can we make sure that all those different individual solutions for end consumers, let's say, are not leading to a big explosion of solutions where they cannot find their way, but that we really bring those solutions together and form one cohesive storyline for the end consumer where they know exactly, this is my toolbox and this is what I can buy, this is what I need. And these are, I would say, the advantages for me as an end consumer.
What is your project doing to bring this fragmented ecosystem together? Are you more looking at the regulatory side, or for example, at the interoperability side, or should we work on really the technical platforms, or is it about the business models?
Tell me more what you're doing about that, Simone.
[00:05:51] Speaker C: So basically our project already connects three demo sites with different objectives, but we've seen that there was the opportunity to use these common technologies and solutions to achieve the main goal. So the same goal.
And I think it's also very important to expand this model on a larger scale to have ever greater benefits by increasing the impact and effectiveness of these developed solutions.
[00:06:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's a strong point. And what you say we need to not only in order to, I would say conquer fragmentation, we need to bring solutions together into demonstrations. We need to be able to show how we can scale instead of inventing new solutions. Is it also Costas, where within digitize you're looking at this implementation demonstration and scaling up to avoid this fragmentation?
[00:06:48] Speaker D: Yes, indeed. Also for the digitized, fragmentation is a massive risk for the project as it happens with other projects. And as you said, it's important to address both regulatory and technical implementations in order to target to track this risk. That's why also in digitized we try to bridge the different separate spaces all together, delivering innovative services in order to be able to track not only energy data interacts smoothly with other sectors like mobility data and building control protocols in order to trace as much as possible the whole landscape of data, but also connect the regulatory point markets, aggregators, local lenders, communities together in order to have a unified, secure digital ecosystem for the community.
[00:07:34] Speaker B: That's interesting. You say bridging also across sectors like mobility.
Is that something easy to do? Or how do you approach that or and where is the value of doing that?
[00:07:45] Speaker D: It is a task. Also, as it happens with the rest of the sectors, we're trying to follow the existing regulation, especially when it comes to connectivity with the mobility data.
Integrating charging point data, following standards protocols and the base protocols like ocpp being able to trace the data as coming from this sector and combine them with energy related data from the billing environment in order to provide added value services to the customers.
[00:08:15] Speaker B: And do you have examples of. Or is that something where we already know today what is an added value for the customer if you combine those data from mobility and the energy side, Is it for example, having an optimized charging with respect to their own consumption at the level of the household, or is it even at the level of a community or a street or a city?
[00:08:38] Speaker D: Yes, indeed, in the project, these are the typical use cases that we are facing also in the project. While the focus in the project is at commercial, at consumer level, at household level. Therefore, the case that you said energy optimization considering also the charging process, also a case considering the usage of the EV as a battery, are things that we are examining within the project with the aim to align mobility related services with energy related services.
[00:09:10] Speaker B: That's really cool, Simona. Now I'm also very curious.
Costas mentioned two very interesting points. Was the synergies or the need for aligning both the regulatory side and the technical side in terms of implementation to avoid the fragmentation and secondly also to use the data from different sectors where we need to look for more synergies. Also to avoid that, we have different business models that develop in different sectors. For example, mobility and energy. Is that also something that is done in Selim?
[00:09:42] Speaker C: Yes, of course, we're trying to do the same. So let's say in our Italian demo, for example, we're trying to collect data from different sources, like the traffic data, the parking activity, and the data from the usage of the grid. We're using this type of data to implement a model and a toolbox that is useful not only for the final stakeholders, but also for the people who work in the tourism industry.
[00:10:12] Speaker B: I think that's really strong points that are set here. It's clear that when we want to develop tools for end consumers to make them more flexible, to make them more engaged, and to bring them further in the energy transition, we need to connect data from a lot of different sources can come from different sectors, but it can also come from the grid.
Even weather data will play a role. And we need to look for those smart solutions that bring those data all together.
And it's also something in your dream that we do where we see that the digital backbone is probably the biggest enabler to bring end consumers forward.
But yeah, we need to really build a sort of digital ecosystem because there are so many data sources, there are also so many applications, and then we also need to make it technically sound and also make sure that we can connect all those different technologies and platforms in an efficient way. So interoperability is important, but yeah, at the same time, the user friendliness is needed. And then of course, we need to do that in a context of trust. So we need to in particular, where we work with sensitive data or end consumer data. This trust aspect, which we also tackle in EU Dream, is one of the key elements where we know that it's something that could kill the entire business case if that's something which is not taken properly. Can you say something on how you do that within the other projects, this making this digital ecosystem? And how can we make sure that those data flows really become interoperable? And are there specific barriers that you encounter? For example, in EU Dream, we already saw that in a lot of cases, those data are first of all not clean enough. So there are a lot of errors in data. We also saw issues in getting the data in the same time resolution or having the data at the same moment of time as some data arrived with a big delay. So typically these are very practical things. And then of course, the trust aspect and cyber security also play a Big role. Costas, what's your point? If you think about this interoperability aspect and the barriers, what do you encounter in your project?
[00:12:23] Speaker D: Yeah, also in these days, this is a core point. Let's say that we're focusing now on the implementation. It is indeed the case that in the building environment we have different proprietary technologies and the data that are flooded needs to be semantically mapped.
And that's why in these days we are tracing this through the delivery of an open standard based data architecture. We are also delivering a unified data management layer which is acting as a universal translator that takes heterogeneous data streams from different sources, IoT devices, smart appliances, billings protocols, building balancing systems, and tries to harmonize them into a common data model following the principles of existing standards in order to have a unified, interoperable way of handling the data.
Also in our case, the key bottleneck on the overall universal approach that we are considering on the data platform is indeed the trust, the trust from the citizens, which are not hesitant to serve granular data from the building environment due to privacy and concerns. And this is a key issue that needs to be addressed in the project and how we do so, how we manage to address this is by incorporating security and privacy principles by design.
So, as you mentioned also before, there are also services on our side to ensure that full sovereignty of the data is handled in the project. The consumers are the owners of the data and also providing services that facilitate citizens to anonymize the data at source level and being able to ensure that they have full sovereign ownership over their own data.
[00:14:07] Speaker B: I think that's a strong point there, that we really built this common data model also connected with the needed digital services for consumers. But still that even though we provide a lot of, I would say, surrounding material for the consumers to handle their data, they still stay the owner of the data and they can decide what they want to share, when they want to share it, in which format, and also if they want to stop sharing the data. And in that way also building the trust. Simone, is also something that you feel in the Selim project that building the trust is needed and that also in order to get that established, that we need to work on the security and privacy, but also on this common data layers.
[00:14:50] Speaker C: Yes, of course. So our project is based on the citizens because we're getting data from their energy consumption and production together with the data from companies and public administration.
So let's say the goal is not only to collect the data, but also to have this data accessible and easy to understand for Everybody. So for the users, and we also have a particular attention to older people who may have difficulty using this type of technology.
So we can say that the main challenge that we encountered was the initial phase of obtaining this data, which required the installation of dedicated sensors and implementation of privacy procedures. But then once the barrier was overcome, the system to be reliable. So the data flow continuously went with very few issues. And we can easily use this data now to monitor energy production and consumption of our end users.
[00:15:46] Speaker B: I think that's also a good point. What you mentioned is that it's not only about collecting the data in a safe and secure way and keeping the consumers in control of the data. It's then also the second step, what can we do with those data to bring intelligence to the consumer, to translate the system intelligence into something which is easy to understand for the consumer, which is very tangible and also very actionable, so that they know what they can do with it and that they can react on that. I also liked a lot what you mentioned about older people. I think it's often forgotten. I think also in EU Dream we really look at the fact that there is a lot of diversity in end consumers. You have the typical, I would say the digital people who are often also the younger people who are very familiar with every digital application. And you have older people, but you also have some vulnerable people.
These are also groups that needs to be taken into account because it's a societal change and not a change of some groups. I think EU Dream, that's one of the elements where we also look at energy poverty, social vulnerability, social inclusiveness. And it's nice indeed to see that the other projects also take that as an important point. It actually also brings us a bit to the next topic that we were discussing here.
We already spoke about the data and the fact that those data have the power to engage consumers. And that's indeed the goal, I think of the Energy cluster is putting the citizens at the center of the energy transition and to overcome those knowledge gaps.
Can you maybe say a little bit more about the very concrete digital innovation set that you are developing to actually make that translation of data towards information to build the trust and to make the consumer, I would say, more ready for the energy transition. Costas, you already mentioned a couple of elements.
[00:17:47] Speaker D: Yeah. Also for this project, this is the situation for us, the transition must be the just transition. So we're not looking only for tech savvy early adopters of the solution. While we try to focus more on the engagement of vulnerable targeting cost, energy poverty, blending Social sciences and humanities directly into the technical design of the solutions and trying somehow to incorporate economical aspects on the overall design of the solutions. So what we are trying to do is to deliver innovative service for the users, but with a context of users actually understanding the usage and the need and what is the actual benefit. So yes, we're trading on provision, on provisioning services that are targeting energy savings, application self consumption maximization, enrollment in flexibility services, provision of non energy services, trying to provide health related services to the citizens. But the most important point is how we will ensure that we will have the users engaged in the overall design process through co design principles and for the provision of solutions that users actually understand and need in order to further utilize them in their daily life.
[00:19:05] Speaker B: And very concrete. Is that an information that they see on screen or is there an app that you develop or they get like a daily small report or it's an automated system which is doing that for them or there are workshops where they get more information. How do you do that in practice?
[00:19:23] Speaker D: Yeah, we're delivering a mixture of processes and services to the users. But the cornerstone, let's say of the digitized project is a dashboard, a citizens triggered dashboard where the users get the full information from the different services in the background.
So no matter what are the services that are get enrolled, we are trying to deliver a user friendly visualization tool that will engage them in the overall process through intuitive messages, through visualizations that are simple enough, through explainable messages that provide more insights about the usage of the tools and the services. And therefore having this means a central dashboard to have the users engaged and understanding the usage and the benefits from the different services.
[00:20:10] Speaker B: Yeah, that sounds like something where a lot of end consumers could benefit from. Simone, do you also have some very tangible examples of what you are developing for the end consumers in terms of services or tooling?
[00:20:24] Speaker C: Yes, we're also developing a dashboard that will be called the Saline toolbox where the end user can log in and get different types of data, for example the photovoltaic production or the energy consumption of their houses. And then not only the end user, but also the, let's say the AC members of the sites in Italy and Spain can log in and watch, say the data of the combined data of all the AC members that are represented here in our two demos.
[00:20:57] Speaker B: Okay, something what we also do or what we also use a lot in the EU Dream project is when it was started up, it was almost simultaneously what I would say, the breakthrough of AI and AI applications. So are also very much looking at the role of AI in the development of tooling and the translation of data towards end consumers.
And so that's also one thing, I guess, where these projects, because they're all started a bit at the same moment that AI became really big and part of the, I would say, of the ecosystem of the households, where we also should contribute to see what is the possibility of AI, but also what are the limits and where are the challenges have we cannot just rely on AI to solve it all. Costas, is that also an element which is already part of your project, how we should deal with AI and the AI applications?
[00:21:55] Speaker D: Yes, indeed. I mean, in the new era, and you stated before, this is the new transition now. Yes, this is the incorporation of AI in the technologies that we are delivering in the project. It's a point of discussion within the consortium and beyond with the citizens that are engaged in the project activities. And we are also using AI technologies at the different points of the project implementations, considering also the risks and the limitations that needs to be posed in order to ensure that at the end, the service that are provided for the users makes sense for them.
[00:22:30] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. Simone, challenges of AI also something that you already encounter?
[00:22:37] Speaker C: Yes, because also in our project, AI is included and in our toolbox the end user can ask questions and get answers in real time about the correct use of energy.
[00:22:49] Speaker B: Yeah, if we think about it, AI, it will be an important driving factor, but yeah, it's even making the digital transition even faster than before.
And it's still all about having this end consumer on board. All the different groups we spoke about older people, vulnerable people. So then it's good that we're not just one project, but that we are within a cluster and that there are a lot of synergies. I think we heard it already, we all work on dashboards, how we work on trust, we work on standards, we have pilots in different countries. I think for EU Dream, for example, that's a very interesting synergy that we can create. On the one hand, we get input from a lot of different consumers, different perspectives, different regulatory frameworks, different technical layers, because the countries are different, the energy mix is different, even the culture is different. And so that's, I think, one of the values that you really see. Your dream is also present in a lot of countries, but from Ireland to Portugal, but yeah, there and Belgium, of course.
But of course, not every country is represented.
And on the other hand, we have very different inputs from different countries, but still we can all work on making this common vision on how to deal, for example, With AI also something where from EU dream we're looking at having this more broader vision on what to do with AI and how it can and should be used to make that something a common development.
What do you see from your projects the biggest advantage of being in a cluster together with for example here we are already with three, but we also have our other two projects from the energy cluster. Simone, what do you see as the biggest benefit that we are part of the cluster?
[00:24:37] Speaker C: Yeah, I believe that all three projects are working toward a common goal. And this goal is to increase digital and energy awareness with in the community involved. Even if they use different methodologies and approaches, they all share the aim of promoting greater awareness about energy use and the importance of digitalization for a more efficient management of resources.
So we'll say the final objective is to build communities that are more aware, sustainable and encouraging the smart use of available resources and promoting more responsible and sustainability behaviors in long term.
[00:25:17] Speaker B: And Kostas, do you also see those benefits of having this common vision that we try to develop?
[00:25:22] Speaker D: Yes, yes indeed.
As we are all aware, each project is delivering a specific piece of a puzzle for the EU wider digital energy transition and strategy.
There are distinct differences between the project. Some project focuses on the technical side other than the regulation. Digitize is focusing on the human end element. It places humans citizens at the center of this transition trying to provide added value services. And the important is this differentiation among these projects that enables us at the end to come together through these clusters that we are discussing now. E cluster ensuring that this collective feedback and the collective innovations are made available for real world adoption at EU level.
[00:26:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I think indeed that should be the common goal of each of our projects. But that also means that we might need as a society trying to step up and not only continue to do small scale pilots, but really aim for this large scale deployment. And we still see that a lot of energy innovations that they struggle taking that step in your dream. When we discuss I would say the main elements that are essential for going to this large scale deployment that we always focus on the aspect of scalability and interoperability as main issues.
Also in some cases the replicability aspect or the regulation. And to what extent do we can see there an EU vision What is for you the main key success factor to we all do pilots to make sure that the pilots that we're doing that they lead to this large scale deployment? Is it the regulatory side which is the main driver? Or is it really this interoperability and the fact that we can technically connect different solutions. Simone, what do you think?
[00:27:17] Speaker C: I believe it's essential to be able to implement on a larger scale what is being developing within the pilot project to make this possible. I think it's really important from the beginning to design a model that is replicable in order to make the final solution both effective and attractive for wider adoption. So let's say, for example, in our project, there's the local DSO here in Italy, which is called Zett Distribuzione, that is aiming to expand the studies that they are doing on the grid. They are doing these studies right now in our demo, and they want to use these studies to implement the grid resiliency across the whole area managed by the company. So not not only here in this demo, but in the whole region that they are managing right now.
[00:28:08] Speaker B: That's an interesting point. So basically it's not only about interoperability or regulation, it's even about having some important stakeholders like the DSO on board, who is then immediately expanding the test case and already incorporating in operations. If I understand you well, yes, because
[00:28:25] Speaker C: as I said, they're doing these studies right here, but they want to implement and also to replicate this model in a greater area right now. So I think it's really important to have a model that works not only in the small demo sites, but it's replicable on a larger scale.
[00:28:44] Speaker B: Okay. And Costas, it is also something that you see that in order to go for, to have this model which is replicable, we need to first make sure that it can be tested on a larger scale. But before being able to, to test that or to validate that, we need to have some big stakeholders on board, like DSOs. Do you also see that as a key element, having the stakeholders on board for the large scale, Quick validation.
[00:29:09] Speaker D: Indeed, it is the case that the business should drive the innovation, the technical innovation. But business, as you mentioned before, goes in close hands with the regulation. And indeed the regulation is an issue that we have it also in the project.
We should and should be a priority at the EC level, at the European level, to progress with regulation in order to enable the businesses to get interest for that type of services. Stop working on regulatory sandboxes, expand the regulation in order to be able to attract the businesses, the big businesses in Europe, and invest on that type of solutions. Of course, as you mentioned also at the beginning, very important is the issue of the technical interoperability, the lack of standard based data models. We are facing this in any project. We have it also in digitization. We need to somehow ensure that standardized cross domain data models will become available in order to ensure further large scale deployment of our solutions beyond the pilots that we have in the project.
[00:30:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I think you need to having this data accessible, but also interoperable in the right format. It will be an important asset that is needed. And probably it also connects very well to the ongoing European discussions on energy data space, where I think projects like ours can really highlight which data are needed. Are they available? Yes and no. And what can we do with the data to really get those data translated into information? I think that's something where the value of the pilots, in addition to the validation of the technologies, can also play a role. What are the use cases that really will make a difference or not?
And then indeed it brings us already to the future.
Imagine that, I hope it will be a reality that within 10 years the solutions that we develop and the different toolboxes that we have, that they all became reality.
Simone, indeed, from this pilot to large scale deployment, that's something that we have now, that we all hope for.
And imagine that all becomes a reality. How will the energy system look like in five to 10 years?
[00:31:18] Speaker C: So we hope that over the next 10 years the European citizen will become more aware of the importance of energy consumption and above all of the proper use of energy, maybe thanks to the tools that we are developing. The goal is to enable every citizen to be more informed and autonomous in understanding their own way or their own energy consumption, so they can reduce both economic costs and energy waste.
[00:31:44] Speaker B: Okay, so citizens that are engaged and aware, but also not only engaged for the bigger picture, but being engaged for also reducing their own costs.
Costa is also something that is your vision for the future. A group of engaged citizens. And maybe also a question to you, because you also look at this human side.
Will it be individual consumers who we should engage, or should we engage like groups of consumers and more look at the community side.
[00:32:14] Speaker D: Yes, also being optimistic or hope to see the future from that point of view. The overall aim and goal should be to have a fully democratized, secure and decentralized energy landscape in Europe, to have local energy markets in place, being comparable to have digital twins as a mainstream tool at this level. And as you mentioned, the importance is not only to tackling the consumers as individuals, rather to promote the idea of local energy communities.
How the users will get engaged in energy services at a community scale and being able to generate revenue not only on behalf of them, but on behalf of the whole community.
[00:32:56] Speaker B: I think that's also probably one of the elements we also look at that in EU3, where we see it's important to have the individual consumer on board.
But if the individual consumer can also be part of this community, then the community layer can be this extra level to have everybody on board and to make it truly inclusive and not limited to the small group of wealthy people that can afford all those new gimmicks and gadgets.
So, yeah, indeed, it's good that we all see it as somehow a positive future, maybe because we also have a very, I would say, high trust and the great projects that we are doing. But still it looks good within five to 10 years, but maybe at a shorter time notice, because we are wrapping up and we are moving ahead to the EU Sustainable Energy Week.
If we want to have already today a key message that we want to bring to the policymakers, industry, or maybe even the citizens from our projects.
What is the one thing, the one key message that you want to bring from, for example, the Celine project? Simone, what do they need to remember? What do you want them to hear the next weeks?
[00:34:06] Speaker C: A message that we aim to spread through our project is that a more efficient and intelligent way of using the energy resources can significantly help reduce waste and better protect the environment without compromising the growth of the industrial and economic sectors. So the central idea is that sustainability and efficiency are not in conflict with economic growth, but can instead coexist and reinforce each other through a more conscious management of energy.
[00:34:41] Speaker B: Okay, that's clear. Like sustainability and efficiency on the one hand, can go perfectly hand in hand with economic growth. They actually could maybe help because it can lead to reduction of cost and to become more green. Yeah, I think that's a perfect message and conclusion, and a pity that not everybody is already convinced of it. Costas, what's your main message that we also echo towards policymakers?
[00:35:07] Speaker D: Yeah, first starting with the consumers, because at the end, the citizens are the heart of this energy transition. So the key message is, to them, the overall idea is that we are delivering solutions that make their life easier, and they have to trust these solutions and get engaged in this energy transition.
And then for the policymakers in the industry, again, the key message is that the technology is good only if the citizens are able to trust it and use it. And therefore, they have to invest more in the regulation part, in the digital retailers, in the protection of privacy, and in the interoperability, as mentioned before, in order to ensure that at the end, the solutions are made available for all citizens, for all consumers, and no consumer is left behind in this ecosystem that we are facing.
[00:35:55] Speaker B: Now, yeah, I think that's a strong point. Putting the consumer in the center and then focusing on those aspects that need to be done to really get the value of the consumer in the system. And I think I can compliment that from EU Dream, that it's, I would say, a necessity to have the different tooling available to make the consumer engaged, but then also to have the value that brings to the system to let it flow back to the consumer. Because a consumer who is more flexible and consumer who can support the grid, it also creates value for the overall system and society.
And today, often if we look at the value that consumers can create, it's not necessarily translated into their own energy bill. There are some efficiency savings or some reductions in cost, but the value is much more. And I think if we can really capture the value and bring it to the consumer, that it could be an additional leverage for them to get engaged.
So that's. I think if we combine what we just said, I think we really have this bright future ahead of us, maybe also for the audience to make them even more interested to follow our projects.
Are there any specific elements that you will do in the coming months that you want to highlight, for example, for the Saline project, something that we need to look at in the coming weeks or months?
[00:37:24] Speaker C: Yeah, so we will try to develop even better our toolbox. And I think that the answer here is pretty easy. People should follow our project because they will stay updated on the topic of energy. That is a key field that directly concern us and will certainly play a central role also in our future, if not even more than it plays now.
[00:37:45] Speaker B: Okay, so knowing more about the concrete outcomes of what this toolbox can be and the advantages it can have.
Costas, what about the digitized project main things for the coming months?
[00:37:58] Speaker D: Yeah, I do believe that for all projects in the cluster. So not only for these days that we are now entering into the period of actual field test deployment. So we're transitioning from theories to the demonstration phase. So it's a very important period for these DICE and the partners of the of this cluster as we're going to roll out their solutions and start getting some results to serve these results among us and to the wider society in order to get the benefit actually from these digital tools that we are delivering in the project and promote a digital energy ecosystem in Europe.
[00:38:38] Speaker B: I think that's absolutely well said and indeed also true for EU Dream. We have developed now all the tools, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating and that's now where we will develop those pilots, we will get the results and we will be able to see whether we are ready for this scaling up. But I think with the different viewpoints that we shared here, it's clear that at least with these projects, we will do a major step forward.
And that's also, I think, a good conclusion to close our discussion. So, Simone Costas, thanks a lot for talking about how we can bring the consumer back into the energy system, make them more digital and really create a trust and then great indeed that we can do this with this shared knowledge between the different projects. Also interesting to mention is that we welcome everybody to visit at European Sustainable Energy Week to visit the booth to get more information on the different projects so that indeed, as a society, we can move ahead.
Thanks a lot. And I would say I will definitely follow your projects the coming six months and beyond.
Bye.
[00:39:45] Speaker D: Thank you very much. Thank you.
[00:39:47] Speaker C: Thank you.
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